CEOP’s Thai coup - Now you see them

CEOP’s ‘Operation Naga’ provides hope for solving Thailand’s paedophile problem

Andrew Drummond, Bangkok – blog -Updated December 15 2008

Pictures: Andrew Chant

The raids this week by the Women and Children’s department of the Royal Thai Police together with officers of Britain’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre have given some hope to those who are bored with repeatedly seeing child sex abusers getting off scot free in the resort of Pattaya.

CEOP’s Press Office worked through the night in London and Press Releases were sent out to all the media in the early hours of Thursday.

After the arrests of two Britons, a German and an American, CEOP boss Jim Gamble went on television extolling the fact that now nowhere in the world were child sex abusers safe from their clutches.

“You don’t know which police force in which country we will be co-operating with next.”

Operation Naga was clearly being promoted as an outstanding example of successful police co-operation.  In fact CEOP praised the Thai efforts in every statement issued.

I’m all for publicity if it gives paedophiles the feeling that Thailand is no longer a safe country to operate in. 

In an earlier blog I wrote that it was time CEOP got down and dirty in Pattaya. It has now happened….Nothing to do with me.

They have been operating in Thailand since November 17th.  So you can bet your bottom dollar that they have a lot more names in their little black book.  The figure of 50 has been mentioned.

But what is interesting is what they did not say, and no doubt continuing good relations with the Thai police and authorities had something to do with it.

Of the two Britons arrested one was Malcolm Henry Payne, aged , 59,pictured above, and the second was Robert Alexander Horsman.  Robert Horsman?  Wait a minute, that name rings a bell.

Yes. Robert Horsman , pictured left, was arrested in Pattaya in March 2006 and accused of indecency with five boys, one aged 10, two aged 11, and the others aged 13 and 14.

It was one of the ‘bang to rights’ arrests Pattaya Police are so fond of  - treated very seriously at the press conference they gave – and like many of their ‘bang to rights’ arrests Horsman, from Ipswich, Suffolk, was acquitted in the Pattaya court system in April this year.

Convictions are a rarity. And the most famous convicted paedophile, Maurice Praill, 77, from Harold Hill, Essex, is still free despite being sentenced to 14 years imprisonment for child rape four years ago. (Authors’s update: Maurice Praill was finally jailed on January 28 2004 see here

He was arrested again while bail appealing his conviction. Where is his case now? Search me!

I first started writing about the release of child sex abusers in Chonburi Province 20 years ago. There have been classic cases.  One of them even gave a newspaper interviews as to how much he had to pay to get off.  Others have told me how much they had to pay, but they insisted they were innocent.

My initial reaction was outrage. I still am outraged but now this has been tinged with resignation. Having a young daughter now however focuses the mind.

The system is foolproof.  Any criticism of a judge in Thailand carries a heavy jail sentence.  It is not for nothing that they are addressed by lawyers as ‘tai taow’ ( an abbreviation of ‘ I am mere dust under your feet’).  And you cannot necessarily blame the judge.  There are a number of ways child sex abusers can avoid punishment in Thailand - see note at end of story.

In many ways the recent arrests are a two fingered salute to the Pattaya Police and authorities, though nobody in authority is going to say that.

For the British CEOP officers its a case of winning hearts and minds. The same policy adopted adopted by most foreign police forces here.  They play the game with a mix of flattery and encouragement and a few beers to Thai police. It’s in the rule book.

But if you’re reading this, already sold on the generalisations that Thai police are dumb or corrupt, you would be wrong. There are some very smart cops out there capable of getting information in minutes. Straight too.

But the pressure of ‘passing the money up the chain’ is very strong and is in all provinces. 

Thailand’s Immigration Department records would knock spots off many police forces for the information they have at their fingertips and the powers they possess.

The strange thing is, although child sex abusers in Pattaya are more cautious than 20 years ago, I never cease to be amazed about how open they can be about their activities.

Whenever a paedophile is arrested there are usually cries on blogs in Pattaya to have them ‘lynched’ or ‘castrated’ or worse.  But these more often sound like the utterances of  Pattaya’s prowling or resident ‘sex tourists’  which  I guess gives them some sort of feeling of normality.

So, seriously, if you do know about British child sexual abusers in Thailand and those pictured here, and are cautious about approaching the Thai police, you should get in touch with CEOP where your information will be treated in confidence  (www.ceop.gov.uk) . 

Or, of course, I suppose you could call The SUN!

Although this week’s news is good, I think I would have to be an eternal optimist if I thought CEOP are going to change what has been standard practice in Pattaya since, well, the local police started to bother to arrest these people,  rather than just taking the money and asking them to move on or owning the bars and trading in children themselves.

(The famous ‘Charlie’s Boys’ bar - now closed - was  run by a local sergeant for years and offered door to door service of children driven like Pizzas on the back of a motorbike)

But hope springs eternal.

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“The Royal Thai Police has demonstrated an unerring commitment to making Thailand a hostile environment for UK offenders.” Jim Gamble, CEOP, December 11 2008

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Footnote: On December 22 2008 after CEOP officers had returned to the UK the Bangkok Post published a report by Wassayos Ngamkham. Thai police were quoted as saying that the major player a Brit had escaped arrested during the operation.
”It’s an organisation deeply involved in the sex trade with a British man as the mastermind,” Pol Lt-Col Panya said. ”He contacts customers through a website and has a Thai transvestite procure children for customers, most of whom are Europeans who have businesses in Thailand or retirees who have settled here.”
According to the inspector, the British man is a big procurer in Pattaya. However, on the morning of Dec 11 when police arrested four foreign paedophiles there, they did not find any evidence linking them to the mastermind”.
The newspaper was supplied with photographs by the Royal Thai Police.

I ,of course hope Thai police have not given the game away and that ‘Mr.Big’ has not skipped, but if he was not around for the December 11th raids, the chances are he has already.

 

 

 

 

How they get off

Child sex abusers are arrested so frequently in Pattaya, Thailand, that a cottage industry, has been built around the cases, from bail bondsmen, to avaricious lawyers, to some police ,who believe a financial penalty is the best solution all round, provided that they get a slice of the cake.

Abusers, not used to the system, may well be first approached by the bail bondsman. He offers to give the offender liberty, by say putting a land title down if the cases goes to court, and for this the defandant, pays a hefty whack.

Quite often the bail bondsman will have a contact in the police or judicial system and will continue negotiations which could result in any charges being dropped before cases get to court.

They usually warn the defendant that the longer he delays putting the cash down the more he will have to pay in the long run. If he can keep payments just to police then its going to be cheaper.  Of course that’s not guarenteed and quite often the defendants still have to go to court and faces other financial charges.

Also lurking around are members of the ‘One-Stop’ shops advising foreigners on everything from visa, and land purchasing problems. They say they can do anything.  One such person was a reporter on a local newspaper, who was also a local volunteer policeman, ran a one-stop shop, and would offer for extra fees to keep the matter out of the news.  This does not work any more because he cannot control all the new newspapers and television channels.

But at one stage when he was interviewing defendants,  on behalf of both the police and newspapers (armed with an electric stun gun for the former) and then fixing deals, he seemed to be all powerful.

There are also a number of lawyers who regular fix cases.  And cases can be fixed in many cases. I know some of these lawyers but I am not going to advertise their services here. They have been known to threaten local children’s charitiy caseworkers.

1. For a consideration the police investigating officer can arrange to give such a poor performance in court that the defendant will be acquitted for lack of evidence.  However somebody else in the judicial system has to be forwarned, or the judge may convict anyway.

2. Police can also screw up the case so much that the prosecutor may decide not to proceed with it. And needless to say the prosecutor can screw it up himself too.

3. Payment can be made to the victims. This is the Thai version of what Gary Glitter did in Vietnam to evade charges of the rape of two juveniles and often the easiest way out. None of the juveniles wants to go to court. None of the parents want their kids to go to court. So payments can be made as compensation, and provided the police are looked after as well, this is often seen as a good solution all round.  Afterwards the children tend to go back on the streets again. If the childen are required to appear in court the evidence they give will not implicate the hands that have fed them.

This method is also easy because until recently nobody has wanted to shoulder the costs and responsibilty of provided protection for the victms in the long lead up to a trial and thus they and their families can be easily approached.

* In the CEOP cases described above I should note that CEOP say that the victims are all being ‘cared for’ by local social services and charities (Except for one child witness who recently ran away).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11 Responses to “CEOP’s Thai coup - Now you see them”


  1. 1 Bob

    Interesting post and, yes, it’s good to see any arrests. But there’s been some debate online about the fairness of naming the arrested. As you note, some are quick to convict people before a trial and, as the Pattaya City News recently pointed out in a rare example of a good story, there have been cases where guys have been falsely arrested and later pronounced clear by authorities.

    By that point, however, their lives are ruined by the publicity.

    I’m not saying any of those arrested this week necessarily fall into that category, but it is something to think about.

  2. 2 Andrew Drummond

    In some countries in Europe is is against the law to publish names of arrested persons. Under British law is it not. The laws against journalists in Britain can however be quite punitive if they get things wrong or break the laws of sub judice and give details of the cases. In Thailand there are no laws of sub judice and police can and do say what they want. Your point is worth debating; certainly worthy of consideration in places where out of control police commonly make grudge arrests.
    In Pattaya the treatment of child abusers however has taken on the appearance of a cottage industry - if you pardon the pun.

  3. 3 Andrew Drummond

    I reserve judgment on Pattaya City News, now known as Pattaya One.
    News??????????????!!!!!!!!

  4. 4 Bob

    PDN and Pattaya One are separate organizations, both committed to promoting the names of the arresting officers over actually gathering many facts on the arrests.

    Pattaya Daily News
    http://www.pattayadailynews.com/index.php

    Pattaya One
    http://www.pattayaone.net/

  5. 5 yoichi shimatsu

    Dear Andrew: Appreciate your work on the ped issue. Lots of obstructions and high-level hush-ups there.
    Please send me an email. I have some questions about some past events, possibly related to the recent arrests, to be discussed off the website.

  6. 6 Mike Garnier

    I understand that the Chief of Police post in Pattaya is more or less auctioned by the Chief of Police Chonburi. The position goes to the highest bidder. The monies passed are considerable as the payback is enormous. if the post holder is corrupt.
    I also hear that this bidding process continues all the way down the ranks The result is that the police force in Pattaya is corrupt by design.

  7. 7 Iggy

    CEOP are not allowed to do ‘teachers’ in the UK, and perp-walking is the lowest form of policing, having the alleged culprits at a table with sex toys and photos of children, is akin to a public lynching,

    it is however no surprise to see CEOP connected to wanton breaches of the Bill of Rights and ECHR. In some respects, Thai operations are intended to distract from the Brit teacher problems.

    HS Jacqui Smith MP, has driven down global standards for policing, and I suppose teaching, that is what CEOP are about, to scam the public into thinking something is being done.

    How many teachers have CEOP done without the FBI arm-twisting them into doing it? What has CEOP actually detected itself?

  8. 8 Gregory Carlin

    “In some countries in Europe is is against the law to publish names of arrested persons. Under British law is it not.”

    They can’t (now) be prosecuted in the UK or USA because of the photos.

    What happened was entirely unlawful from a British or American stance. I would refer you to the Jailcam lawsuit that Donna Hamm had against Maricopa County in Arizona.

    What happened in Thailand is illegal in the UK to the extent that a trial could simply not be entertained, even if the issues were very serious and even if the issues were of the slam dunk variety.

    The unfortunate proceedings also violate UN standards. CEOP has selected Thailand as a PR stamping ground to cover for the fact that CEOP are basically a post-box for the FBI/RCMP and AFP.

    Crime stats relating to indecent images, are a classified secret in Britain, and the reason for that, is that the Brits use CEOP or the NCIS before them, to filter material, referred by other agencies.

    The Brits have care-home and related child abuse up to their ears. So, the public confidence is at risk from the FBI, and CEOP is a steam release valve.

    The Brits have been covering up mountains of child abuse since the 1880s, and at a time the USA is speculating, quite seriously of 10,000 female teacher sex offenders, the Brits thought about 12 teachers per year in total when they criminalized it.

    The FBI would have Brit teachers doing more CP than US teachers. so what is going on? Brit teachers had more child citizen victims in the USA than the teachers from Rhode Island & Maine, one Brit teacher did hundreds.

    By Alan Travis, Home Affairs Editor
    guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 26 January 1999 04.14 GMT
    Article history
    There will only be a maximum of 10 to 15 prosecutions a year under the new “abuse of trust” law backed by MPs last night, Whitehall officials have admitted.

    I put it to you that the Brits were aware of 280 teachers in 1999 and it was the tip of the iceberg. In the USA, they do 12 per day! In a way, CEOP is the corporate manifestation of a huge sex abuse scandal or cover-up.

    Has Jim Gamble, eer testified in court, arrested, interviewed etc. why is he in charge of CEOP, why is he an expert? Could it be that Mr. Gamble previously had the steam release valve job?

  9. 9 Andrew Drummond

    I do not believe for second that CEOP would hold back on teachers, particularly as this is an area where paedophiles would seek employment.
    Nor for that matter do I believe they would hold back on policemen.
    I have no doubt they are a conduit for lots of shared images garnered from other police forces. They would just be doing their job.
    Jim Gamble is probably an excellent head of CEOP and I am sure he is more than qualified.I would guess he has made arrests in the past.
    CEOP has to play politics, but so does every law enforcement agency in the world. They all need to be seen doing something.
    There must be lots of conspiracy theorists out there. CEOP may be more open to this because it is part of SOCA - The Serious Organised Crime Agency, which ranks spooks amongst its members - and not to, say, Scotland Yard.
    I just think their message that no British child abuser in the world is safe from them is more a message for a British audience, than an established reality.

    But then again I think they believe the recovery of Gary Glitter was their triumph.

    But I am assuming there must be more to come.

  10. 10 Gregory Carlin

    “I do not believe for second that CEOP would hold back on teachers, particularly as this is an area where paedophiles would seek employment.”

    The USA does 12 teachers every 24/48 hours, where’s CEOP list minus the FBI stuff? They are not allowed to do teachers.

  11. 11 Gregory

    “Jim Gamble is probably an excellent head of CEOP and I am sure he is more than qualified.I would guess he has made arrests in the past.”

    I asked our legal people to look into it, they came up with nothing. More FOIs than I can remember, assigned a shadow research team, to identify what we missed,

    Whatever Jim Gamble has that job for, detecting pedophiles isn’t it.

    It looks like a spoof agency. Do an FOI to Jacqui Smith yourself

    CEOP is talking about FBI, RCMP & etc. They do the work.

    Gamble’s pedophile detecting CV can’t be found.

    Gregory

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