Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Tuesday, March 19, 2013


This is a story I cannot write. Or at least I cannot say where, when, and who were the victims. 

It could put a British family in Thailand 'on holiday' in more danger than they already are. 

But I can give you an outline and give this warning: “Be very careful about exchanging foreign currency notes in Thailand.”  

You could end up in jail for seven years...and your pleas of innocence may go unheeded.

Forged notes circulate all the time. Even British banks have been known to pass them on to each other and put them in ATM machines. It’s not that difficult for the occasional one to fall through the system.

Currently a British family is hiding out in Bangkok. The father works for an international commercial bank in London, the mother is Thai. They came on holiday with their two year old son. They are now hiding from corrupt officials demanding bribes. The father and son have been advised by the British Embassy to leave the country.

The mother cannot. She is on ‘police bail’ – but no proper receipt given - of 100,000 baht. Her offence – attempting to pass counterfeit money.  It’s been weeks. She has not seen the inside of a court.

So what happened? Well they were on holiday in Thailand and a friend, a colleague working for the same London commercial bank, came out to Thailand to join them for a week.  Before taking a plane he went to his local bank – the Royal Bank of Scotland in Ealing, West London and withdrew £1000 in sterling in £50 notes.

On arrival in Bangkok the friend cashed a few notes with the family – for ‘going out’ money. Then the Thai wife went to get them changed into Thai baht at a money exchange.

The bank teller called the ‘Tourist Police’ (It’s not a Tourist Police matter – the woman was Thai) and declared that one of six notes she presented was a forgery. She had tested one in her 'machine'.

Whether it was or not nobody knows. But more of this later.

How to tell - from the Daily Mail - Info may be useful to the Royal Thai Police though.
The woman of course explained that she had got the notes from a friend of her husband. But police were not interested. A shake down was in process.

The friend arrived with the husband. They both went to the Tourist Police and regular police. But first confronted the exchange booth cashier.

“I gave the woman the notes,” said the husband's colleague. “And here is the bank receipt. And here are the remaining notes.”

He insisted that if anybody was to be charged it should be him. He brought the notes to Thailand.

Police and the Bank teller decided on she spot that none of the other remaining notes was fake.

"Please test them on your machine," he asked. The booth teller refused. "They're okay," she repeated.

Nobody saw her machine. She did not say how she knew the note was forged.

He was asked to leave, after trying to surrender himself at both police and tourist police stations, in a very rude manner. "Get out of here!" (Ock pai!)

The wife was locked up crying for her British born two year old son.

Police demanded 50,000 baht bail. When the husband said he could only get 13,000 baht a day out of an ATM – the price went up to 100,000. When the woman was released she was followed by a policeman who demanded another 6,000 baht to ‘speed up the processes'.

Their lawyer told them it was just a matter of paying the right money. They got rid of their lawyer and sought Embassy help.

Police have not made any formal charges. They say they had to send the ‘forged’ note to Bangkok for verification.  But when an Embassy recommended lawyer (Not from British Law. That company has been removed from the list since we revealed that the boss was struck off in Britain) went to the police station he saw it was still sitting in a drawer.

Whether this was the original note passed nobody can be sure. But it’s certainly been contaminated.

The family was told the case could take 2 years to go to trial. The Thai wife is still on a settlement visa but her ninety days out of the country will be up long before anything happens – and she will have to apply all over again. (I guess the Embassy could do her a favour here.)

Since the ‘Embassy’ legal visit and threats to report the matter to higher authorities, the family has received indirect threats. Seems the local police have two choices pursue the case to the fullest and nastiest extent - or quietly drop the matter. They have been getting nasty it seems.

The father, mother and son have just gone into hiding after their motorbike was rammed leaving their son with a broken limb and the father with deep gashes on his body.

They are slowly being bled dry by the system. The father has an impeccable record. He is not a dodgy Pattaya Brit on the downward trail. He is a one man success story, a former Royal Engineer, with service history in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Iraq and with clearly more integrity than the interrogators, and who moved with flair into the private sector.

I never carry foreign currency in any large denominations. But I myself have been given forged dollar bills by a bank at Don Muang airport at a time when it was essential to carry dollars when travelling to Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

Luckily the Laos authorities just handed the note back saying they did not like the look of it.
But this case says a lot about humanity or rather lack of it. And it calls for something more than just an Embassy recommended lawyer.

Meanwhile make a note of this from the Independent. It will be news for people issued with forged notes from British bank ATMs. Banks it appears can do no wrong. Having squandered our cash, screwed our pensions, they can now offer us forged notes with impunity. The Royal Bank of Scotland has of course been bailed out by the British government.

"Banks and building societies are not legally obliged to reimburse you even if they issue you with forged notes through their cash machines. Also, counterfeit notes are now so sophisticated that even experienced cashiers at the counter - not to mention their security equipment - cannot always tell the difference between a real note and a fake."

So how come a bank teller in a small Thai resort is so sure?


Doi said...

If all these facts are true, and the embassy has clearly taken the view that they are; what is the Thai government doing?

The motorbike ramming points only to one source.

Only press coverage will bring change and even that will depend on who you know and how much is in your bank account. The ordinary Thai fears the system too much to force change.

Sam said...

No charges stinks of a scam from the inside....the teller is in on it and swaps the counterfeit note he has for a real one and then calls in his accomplices...the ever reliable Thai police. If there are no charges...why don't they just leave the country ?

tommy truthsearcher said...

If I was arrested and asked for bribes I would refuse point blank to pay. From my experience if you pay once you will be asked to pay more and more and every cop wants a piece of the pie. I've seen this a number of times. Whilst they think you have money they'll keep asking, if you say you have none they'll tell you to call your parents or friends. Personally I'd tell them to go f*** themselves. If you complain to a senior officer he'll just want something as well. Sooner or later they will have to charge you, bail you or let you go. The worst thing you can do is let them think you can pay or are willing to pay. You'll find they won't let you go anyway and will concoct more stories to get more cash.

SubaruSam said...

I was told many years ago that if I was coming ot Thailand and bringing £ to make sure that the highest notes I brought where twenties.This has all the hallmarks of a scam.Am sure it has being played out many times but has not come to media attention. As the victims have payed the hush money and have being too scared to report it.

Andrew Drummond said...

Cannot. Wife's ID and Passport seized. British father does not want to leave his wife and 2 yr old son understandably

Dave said...

"They say they had to send the ‘forged’ note to Bangkok for verification. But when an Embassy official went to the police station he saw it was still sitting in a drawer."

Or is that the resident dicky 50 quid waiting for the next naive 'customer'?

Arthur Bossa said...

Andrew, surely the embassy must be doing something robust to protect the family and act on their behalf.

A child has been hurt. This is wholly unacceptable and barbaric, to say the least. I can only imagine the nightmare the family are going through. They must be protected.

Can't you use your connections to get this story global, or at least on to the front page or TV here somewhere?

When I thought things here couldn't get any worse, I read this last night. Surely there is something more we can do, or that can be done.

Melissa said...

Has anyone else been stopped by the 2 police on a motorbike around Asoke? Happened to me twice and 2 of my friends... They will stop you and ask what you are doing there, if you are working in the area and ask to see your wallet.. They told my friend, his credit card was fake and another person he had fake banknotes... Obviously they were fishing and they let us all go (separate instances)...

Andrew Drummond said...

Arthur - I would like to do more. Stuff on file. But I do not wish to do anything to harm their case and of course I have given the family my word until they are safe - which of course I will keep. The Embassy have as usual told them not to talk to the press. If they are doing something then there is a valid reason. If they are not..well no comment.

Doi said...

Even in the UK the police are not effectively controlled by those that govern and regulate **. Fat chance Thailand has, given the number of networks, including the police, that have authority within the realm.

** setting up the former chief whip - "downing street gate" where police notebooks have now been shown to be mere Enid Blyton fairy stories.

Farang Talk said...

Happens often in that area. We have numerous reports on our forums of shakedowns from Thong Lor Police, who deliberately target foreigners in that area.

Lance Davidson said...

It's simple... hire a private investigator to perform a background check on the teller of the money changer. In Thailand there are dozens of prestigious private investigator agencies that will work for you. They will obtain fingerprints of the cashier and Teller because often these scammers will change their identities Through official channels but their fingerprints will remain the same. The only way you can question The credibility of a Thai citizen in front of police is to catch them in a lie. The Thai police will always give credibility to Thai accusers first because that's the way their system works. The Thai police will often arrest the Accuser if he or she is caught in a lie you're trying to manipulate the legal system through lies. When it's proven that the cashier or teller is lying or using a false identity to cover the ruse then they will go to jail for a very long time. I always catch manipulators and any country regardless of the situation or the level of corruption involved there's always a way to catch people using logic and wit. Imagine this like a game of chess when using logic it's the only way to get them in check mate. If you're not good playing chess, I suggest you learn how to play. Those with soft Minds will always focus on the problem set before them my someone else however those using logic will always understand the art of misdirection and manipulation. We understand the art of misdirection and manipulate you you'll never be manipulated by anybody on any level. I'll give you the rundown... Every boss has the boss's boss and that boss has a Boss too... Accountability: everybody in government is accountable to somebody else and we know the office is to go to who controls who and what it's easy to find out what you need to know to stop corruptors and manipulators. I've never been ripped off of my life... Don't get me wrong people have tried and they consequently fell flat on their face. I've never been wrongfully accused successfully... during my 15 years,living in Asia, there have been many that tried every single one of them failed miserably and lost face in front of senior government officials my suggestion is that you have to fight using the logical part of your mind. When you know the motive and standard operating procedure have any government office and you investigate them using a private investigator never becomes how to catch them interaction with photographs and audio. Using a shotgun microphone it's easy to get audio from a hundred meters or more. And if you know the routine where these police officers go or where the money changer teller goes for lunch, even in a crowd, they can isolate and capture clean audio if any conversation of the target.. I suggest you suck it up and toughen up... And if you don't own the situation, then the situation is going to own you and there won't be anything that you can do after it is completely crushed you... With that advice: bon voyage