Saturday, June 13, 2015

Saturday, June 13, 2015
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SO WHAT'S THE CATCH!

The mass market English language sites in Thailand appear to be going ape over a sales gimmick by Nigel Cornick of Kingdom Property giving people who buy property in his company’s Southpoint condo in Pattaya a 20 year visa for Thailand – courtesy of Thailand Elite Card.

The story has been running on ThaiVisa.com and Coconuts but I have not seen much in the mainstream media.

But this is quite earth shattering news.

Even if foreigners have a Thai wife and children they still only get a one year visa and each year they have satisfy the authorities that the marriage is real.

Thailand Elite of course was the brainchild of Thaksin Shinawatra, the Prime Minister, hated most of all by the current military led government.




There's the Immigration Policeman


There’s something quite clearly going on behind the scenes here. Here’s what appeared on ‘Coconuts’ and it sounds very much like the Kingdom Property Press Release.

“In what is the first initiative of its kind in Thailand, one property developer has partnered with the Tourism Authority of Thailand to offer 20-year visas to foreigners who purchase one of its Pattaya condominiums.
 
Buyers at Kingdom Property’s Pattaya Southpoint development will be entitled to a 20-year visa, which amounts to five-year, multiple-entry visas which can be renewed every four years. 
The visa will entitle its holders to benefits including fast-track immigration clearance, assistance with driving licences, discounts and a bilingual helpline. 
‘The long-stay solution will overcome many of the barriers that we see when selling our properties overseas. 
Generally unless you have a business visa, retirement visa or marriage visa, you are not permitted to stay for any length of time,” Nigel Cornick, Chief Executive Officer of Kingdom Property said. “This exciting partnership is akin to Malaysia’s My Second Home (MM2H) program and has massive potential.’ 
The visa will come as part of the purchase of a unit at Southpoint and owners can sell the unit and the visa together if they wish. 
“The target demographic for this initiative is very wide,” Cornick added. 
The Thailand property-with-visa initiative is only applicable to Kingdom’s Southpoint project now, but given the possible impact on overseas buyers, it may not be too long before other Thailand property developers adopt similar initiatives for their developments. 
The promotion is made possible by Thailand Elite, which is fully owned by The Tourism Authority of Thailand, which, in turn, is under the control of the Thai government.
“As part of the Tourism Authority of Thailand, this exclusive club has access to privileges that money alone cannot buy,” its website explains. “Thailand Elite is the world's first country membership programme with benefit for immigration, leisure, business, and much more.”
 
Cornick predicted the plan would make property in Thailand more attractive to overseas buyers. 
“The fact Thailand Elite is working with Kingdom Property is a sign of confidence in itself,” he said. 
Southpoint Pattaya is a two-tower freehold condominium in Pratumnak. It boasts 655 units ranging in size from 30sqm to 97sqm. Completion will be in the second quarter of 2016.



Let’s get a few things straight. 


  • This is nothing like Malaysia’s ‘My Second Home’ Programme. The exclusive club does not have privileges money cannot buy.  You’ve already paid with your Thailand Elite Card. For 20 years you will need to pay 2 million baht. Now if Kingdom are paying 2 million on your behalf I would be very surprised.



  • Property in Pattaya has been facing a slump but to offload property in the past developers have been paying realtors staggering commissions – from 12 to 18 per cent!



  • Nobody can guarantee any foreigners stay in the kingdom apart from the Immigration Department and this department is as honest as the officer you are dealing with.



  • You cannot sell Visas. But I guess you can transfer ownership of a Thailand Elite card.



  • The Thailand Elite card is bit of a turkey – and I know of at least one case of a card-holder being robbed of ALL of his properties and another who was forced to flee Thailand.


Funnily enough I cannot actually find this offer on Kingdom’s website Southpoint pages though it is on the company’s Facebook page along with a cop in the line-up at a press conference.

If this was in the mainstream press I think some Thais would have something to say about it.

I then checked this site lovepattayathailand.com which is recommended as a good read by Kingdom Property.

It is. I read this.

“Kingdom Properties have joined forces with Thailand Elite in order to create this unique offer. The 20 year visa is in fact a 5 year multiple entry visa that is renewable 3 times, thus giving you a hassle free stay in Thailand for up to 20 years.”

Oh I see. Not such a good deal then. You can rejoin Thailand Elite another two times.

Then came this:

Ok, what’s the catch?
 
The only one we’ve seen so far is that if you sell your condo at Southpoint, you lose your 20 year visa. This is because the visa will come as part of the purchase of a unit at Southpoint, but you can sell the visa to a new owner with the unit as a part of the deal! 
Seems fair enough really.
Oh come on Nigel. You can’t lose a 20 year visa you never had!

And then this!

All condominiums in Thailand have 49% foreign quota and 51% Thai quota. Is it possible to by a unit at Southpoint in Thai company name and still qualify for the 20 visa? Yes, as company director with company ownership of a Southpoint Condominium it will be possible to apply for the 20 year visa. 
Nigel Cornick, Chief Executive Officer of Kingdom Property, said: “The long-stay solution will overcome many of the barriers that we see when selling our properties overseas. Generally unless you have a business visa, retirement visa or marriage visa, you are not permitted to stay for any length of time.”

Nigel Cornick - finger crossed behind his back?
Oh dear. But the average foreigner does not have a Thai company.  And isn't what he is suggesting technically at least against the law?

Does that mean he will have to set up a dormant company with Thai nominees- the old but very unsafe game played in Thailand – because that is what a lot of people who have been robbed of their fortunes have done.

The target demographic for this initiative is very wide - and clearly very dumb.

13 comments:

  1. Not the first time, and probably not the last time, coconuts have got mixed up with shady schemes, I seem to remember they also publicised if not promoted a sham drug detox caper.

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  2. I wonder what sort of discount (2m baht?) Mr Cornick will be offering if one doesn't need or want the "free" visa?

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  3. The Thai authorities really should come down on these shysters like a ton of bricks.

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  4. It is now abundantly clear to me Thailand does not welcome honest, law abiding folk to reside , but prefers con- artists, scammers and of course the legion of sexpats who will jump through any flaming hoop immigration decides to put them through, and pay lots and lots of under-the- table tea money.

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    1. Welcome to the 3rd world.........a country mired in the past....let's say the 1400's....and Thailand expects.....nay.....demands to be taken as an equal on the world stage......it really is a joke......

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    2. Oh please shut up. What do you mean, "it's NOW" abundantly clear . . . "? Thailand doesn't PREFER scammers; some just manage to slip through with the half-decent folk, that's all.

      Thailand is NOT a f***ing W.H.O.-sanctioned retirement zone where every pensioner's entitled to a wife 20-30 years their junior to wipe their arses in their dotage, 100% safe streets and a guaranteed scam-free environment in which to pop their clogs. They come here at their own risk. Most will have left their homelands partly to escape the "nanny state" and yet here they are bitching because the Thai authorities aren't busting a gut to vet every single foreigner who applies for a visa. They can no more stop all the scammers and con-artists entering the country than their UK or US counterparts can stop all the jihadis and drug mules slipping through the cracks so let's have less of the interminable carping, shall we?

      Those who feel the pros no longer outweigh the cons can piss off somewhere else

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    3. The Thai authorities could certainly do a great deal more to remove the many Western shysters and crooks who have made Thailand their "home," at least on a temporary basis.

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    4. The Thai authorities could certainly do a great deal more to remove from the country many of the Western scammers and shysters who have made Thailand their home, even on a temporary basis.

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    5. I think I did just 'p*ss off somewhere else' Marlo. :-)

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    6. Indeed you did, AD but you had children to educate and a bounty on your head; kind of a no-brainer really, wasn't it?.

      These whingers bitch about corruption and tea money while conveniently ignoring the fact that it is that SAME corruption that makes it possible for their fave establishments to offer the pretty young things they huff and puff on top of for 5 minutes in a room out back for the equivalent of £20.

      Sorry but I have zero tolerance for hypocrisy

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  5. You still have to Dick around with Immigration at least 3 times - and that's only the first of many Catches..the thin edge of the wedge.

    They infer 20 straight years - it's utter Hogwash Marketing 101.

    In reality, it's Laugh now, Cry later.

    There will be many takers though.

    Signed,

    Penny Wise and Pound Foolish

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  6. "They can no more stop all the scammers and con-artists entering the country than their UK or US counterparts can stop all the jihadis and drug mules slipping through the cracks.." Marlo Stanfield

    Truer words were never spoken..
    Promises are made and broken..

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    Reality

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  7. Another follow up story on Coconuts today...more promotional material than anything, failing to ask obvious questions.

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