Thursday, August 27, 2015

Thursday, August 27, 2015

Toby Ledger appears to know a lot about exercising the muscles of his posterior ..........but jack sh*t about what to do with your savings.

British government legislation enacted earlier this year to allow citizens to take money out of their pensions and re-invest it themselves has had financial institutions and money men champing at the bit.

These include not only the banks, who run the government, but financial advisers, boiler room operators and your common garden Arthur Daley.

During the course of this upheaval, which no doubt will leave many without pensions at all, a Pattaya company entered into talks with a company called Ledger and Simmons operating out of ;  well it has operated out of five different virtual offices in the city of London since January.

And Toby Ledger boss of Ledger and Simmons appears to be as virtual as his virtual office. But he gives himself a glowing write up on his website.  I have come to this conclusion for no other reason than that the picture of him on his website as a City of London star broker,  is identical to the picture of a man on another website giving hints on how to exercise in the office while you, presumably making all that cash - hence his lesson on a butt kickback.

Ledger and Simmons has no history. It was started this year. Toby appears to have convinced Asia Pacific Pensions in Pattaya that he could put business their way.

A quick look at Asia Pacific Pensions’ Facebook page will show how, well, enthusiastic Asia Pacific are about British pensioners.

Story after story tells warns the reader basically not to let Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs tax them and of course APP can help the pensioners out.

From APP's website
Asia Pacific Pensions advertises on its website that its preferred lawyers are British Law and it has also built up a partnership with Northern Thai Realty.

British Law is run by struck off British solicitor Kevin Harper – who was first exposed on this site.

Now if that does not ring alarm bells then putting British pensioners together with property dealers in Thailand should raise the equivalent of a Tsunami warning (but perhaps not a Thai one as they may not to work).

No matter how respectable these people may or may not be – this is Thailand with its built in inherent risks.

John Howarth admits having contact with ‘Toby Ledger’ earlier in the year but despite them not coming to any formal agreement, he says, Ledger and Simmons started using their logo and headed paper.

He said he has written to Ledger and Simmons demanded all links be removed:

“From time to time, we do get approached by UK based companies asking if we can help with UK pension transfers.   
Earlier this year (Jan/Feb I think), we were approached by Ledger and Simmons, asking about this point and enquiring what the normal transfer procedure was.   
“I explained we only deal via bona fide overseas pension companies and only use Qualifying Recognised Overseas Pension Schemes (QROPS).   
John Howarth in champagne days
At their request, I sent them an example of our standard Asia Pacific Pensions letter of authority (LOA) by email and told them how any enquiries were to be handled i.e. directly to APP only and not via them. 
“I did not hear back from them and have had no contact whatsoever with them since that date.   
"We have never agreed to work together, we have never done any marketing together and if you are telling me that this is not the case, then it is completely without my knowledge or agreement. 
“Finally, thanks for bringing this matter to my attention as we will now be taking measures to determine if this company have in fact been using our company's name without our express permission, which is of course a very serious matter.”

Toby was less forthcoming. When I asked him about his similarity to the butt-kick guy he replied:

 “I have answered all questions regarding the situation to the relavent parties and removed any content from our website which has been published without permission. If you could be so kind as to state your involvement with any regulatory bodies I will be happy to explain in more depth any issues that your may care to raise.”

I did. He didn’t.

Neither Ledger and Simmons or APP of course, are registered with the FCA (Financial Conduct Authority or Thai SEC).  Some foreign financial services are registered in Thailand with the Securities Investment Commission. Most are not.

However, even if they were the SEC, does not have a credible history of standing in on behalf of foreigners and an appaling one when it comes to ‘boiler rooms'.

Further the record of Thai police prosecuting foreigners who cheat other foreigners is extremely unsavoury. They tend to favour the money,  which won’t be yours if you lose your pension.

There is no suggestion at all that Asia Pacific Pensions is scamming.

It is mainly a conduit and adviser for your money and makes money from commissions.

Further a major company they are linked with is registered with the FCA. TAM Asset Management has recently been making a big play in Pattaya for British pensioners' cash.

The combined lists of foreigners who have lost cash on property deals in Thailand and giving their pensions to independent financial advisers is quite horrific.

You may never know how much your pension fund is earning until you ask to withdraw it.

Ledger and Simmons is a different horse.

It's dot com website is a proxy site registered in Arizona, but the website for Ledger and Simmons was however registered by a certain Michael Pold in eastern the Czech Republic.

There is a Financial Conduct Authority warning out on Michael Pold as a boiler room operator who tried to clone a genuine FCA registered company Red Level Enterprises.

The staff of at least one property company in Pattaya run a boiler room financial scamming operation.

Since publication John Howarth has written to say that connections to Northern Thai Realty had been terminated for 2 years and a link to British Law would be removed in due course.

"I have been in this business for almost 30 years now and have successfully advised over 3,000 clients during that time.  I cannot say I have never made a mistake, because that would be incorrect for anyone to say, but I can confirm that I always try to do the best thing for my clients at all times."

Mr. Howarth confirmed again he does not advise UK based clients. However if any expat clients had followed his advance and invested in the LM Managed Performance Fund, or anything to do with LM for that matter - they would have lost everything. If he makes mistakes it seems they can be big ones.

Below is an article sourced from from Asia Pacific Pensions to Pattaya Business Supplement which is horrific in its claims.  LMMPF were giving big bonuses to financial advisers who sold their product which turned out to be little more than a Ponzi.

LM Managed Performance Fund of course went bust and you can find many articles on this site about in on this site. Many expats in Thailand lost everything and one I know lost US$1 million - all his life savings.

I should point out that John Howarth and Asia Pacific Pensions are recommended by Mark Bowling the Chairman of the British Chamber of Commerce of Thailand (Eastern Seaboard) so I can only hope that Mark who was a client did not put his cash into LMMPF.

Graham Macdonald of the British Chamber of Commerce in Bangkok and senior partner of IFA company MBMG did of course receive the MBE before MBMG went up on a Thai SEC investor  warning list.


  1. Ledger & Simmons is not registered with the UK FCA presumably because they are not financial advisors and they do not give financial advice. There is, therefore, no requirement for them to be registered. They are introducers of business/clients to UK registered advisors.
    You mentioned a Pattaya property company that is run by boiler room people, it might have been useful to mention that company's name.

    1. The Pattaya 'boiler room' developer is a different story and will hopefully come to fruition in due course. Ledger and Simmons have made massive cuts on their websites and I can assure you they were giving clients the impression that they knew the financial business hence their advice was kosher. APP is not UK registered and of course does not have to be.,

    2. Neither is Asia Pacific Pensions registered with Thailand's SEC which it does have to be.

      APP is also operating in an area restricted to Thai nationals so would it be reasonable to assume that APP's foreign employees are working without correct work permits just like every other unregistered financial advisor in Thailand?

    3. This whole business of the Thais restricting certain businesses or professions to Thais only makes me livid.
      What civilized country on the planet imposes such restrictions?
      I can understand a government being selective in granting permission to work to foreign nationals, but not drawing up a list of "professions" or jobs which foreign nationals are not allowed to perform.

  2. It might be just me, but I think that I can make a subjective evaluation of the credibility of these businesses just by looking at their websites. Most of the time, there are no personal profiles of the people involved in the businesses, which is a real tell tale when the industry is based on trust and transparency.

  3. If your legit, why do you need to hide who you really are? Surely if your honest and provide good service your good name will be known. If your a dodgy bastard you need nominees and fake sites.

  4. Christ Almighty - another one??

    Every time you squish one of these cockroaches under foot, and another ten come out of the woodwork. It must be a lucrative "business."

  5. Yes there are still plenty of the cockroaches crawling about Thailand's expat areas. It definitely is lucrative for them, winning '000s in commissions on your money.The conmen at Global in Bangkok and PFM in Chiangmai grew particularly rich on the backs of expats.
    I quite like the idea of the financial advising game being a Thai restricted profession. I certainly would not believe any advice from a Thai, and would not risk any money on it. However, I took advice from a farang in Bangkok and lost my life savings to LM. Never again will I believe an of these commission grabbing parasites. I also now know that Australia is a financial fraud center and not a safe place to invest.

    1. Correct- ASIC is as about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition.

    2. Sorry to hear that Loiner - join the club. I got over it (90%) with cognitive therapy (for anger and anxiety), and sincerely hope you can do whatever it takes to regain peace of mind. No drinking though.

      As an ex cop I do have a loaded gun, but I'm not one to do "out of court" settlements. It's beneath folks like us Loiner.

      Karma will do them in, and we get to keep our hands clean. A win-win all around.


  6. Sadly though, Mr. Farang, you're not able to get your money back.
    Please don't misunderstand - if only you could. Can't see that it's a "win-win all around" though.
    I really am on your side.
    I too am an ex-Cop; I served in an armed Police Force for....a long time.

    1. Experience it Megaloden and you'll get it. Moving on is a win IMHO. The alternative is beating yourself up for forever and a day.

      Losing your life-savings pales in comparison to losing your health - it's not even close.

      I wouldn't want you to experience losing your life savings though - or your health obviously.


  7. That's the difference between us and them - we treat people the way we would like to be treated, and they treat people the way they are treated.

    It's just the subtle difference between humans and the new manimals (not quite man or animal)

    It's your choice - be a man - or be a manimal.

    Man up, or Manimal up, and accept the consequences. Up to You.