Tuesday, March 28, 2017

Tuesday, March 28, 2017
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A BBC CORRESPONDENT FACES FIVE YEARS FOR EXPOSING PROPERTY FRAUD IN THAILAND.  OTHERS WHO ARE RIPPED OFF FACE THE SAME FOR WHISTLE BLOWING

BUT FOR THE BBC AND OTHER LIFESTYLE PROGRAMME MAKERS  ITS ‘BUSINESS AS USUAL’ AS 'HOUSE HUNTERS' ARE LINED UP BY TELEVISION PROGRAMMES OFFERING THEM DREAM HOMES IN PARADISE. BUT THEY DON’T GET TO HEAR THE BACK STORY, AND THE CLAIMS, SOME 'PIE IN THE SKY', JUST DISAPPEAR INTO THE ETHER.


PROPERTY FRAUD IN PARADISE

The British media, in particular television producers, are in the business of selling dreams. Some 6,000 Brits a week are leaving their homes for warmer climes, many spurred on images of waves lapping Thailand's 'sun kissed' beaches. Some may live the dream.   But many will not.




It's easy to be enchanted by Thailand’s warm climate, and coconut palm fringed beaches and at the seeming bargain basement prices offered.  I would not have stayed for 25 plus years had I not loved the place - even though as years progressed I would not go to places like Koh Samui or Phuket unless on assignment. 

But what I am seeing on television on the UK, while picturesquely accurate, amounts to little more an enticement to self-destruct. Dignitas without the dignity.


Jonathan Head - will have to fly to court every month
For what I am about to write about property fraud now I could end up in jail in Thailand. 

As a journalist there I continually exposed property frauds. But as in the case of the BBCs property correspondent Jonathan Head, I was also subject to the country’s draconian Computer Crime Libel laws.

Truth is no defence to libel in Thailand. All it takes is about £500 to lodge a libel case. The justice system can be 'manipulated' . There is no presumption of innocence and the accused cannot produce witnesses in a pre-trial. And even if you win you are unlikely to get your money back. 

In my case after winning many cases, not only did I not get my cash back, but the courts continued to accept cases from the same people and they only stopped when both fled bail while on appeal in Thailand having been convicted of extortion, and fraud,

Now Jonathan Head has had his passport confiscated, cannot do his work as a correspondent in the region, and will go to trial in August.  He cannot leave the country without permission of the court, something of a problem for a correspondent, as I found, who is required to move at a moments notice.*

His crime, exposing a lawyer for notarising a forged signature – something which the lawyer admitted on camera.

But another court in a case brought by the victim acquitted the lawyer find his actions little more than a minor error of judgement.


Ian Rance and family
That signature, of 'house hunter' Briton Ian Rance, and a notarised forged signature of Irishman Colin Vard, allowed Thais to get hold of the US$4 million in investments the two men had made in property in Phuket.  

Who was involved in the fraud? - everyone from banks, loan sharks, to lawyers and policemen.  

These frauds (The Vard fraud was exposed on this site in 2011) were taken to the very top, the Chief Commissioner of the Thai Police, after Mr. Vard held a street demonstration in Bangkok. 





Vard’s daughter Jessie was just 12 when I wrote the first story of their predicament.  She is now 18, a successful model, and running her own ‘Justice for Jessie’ Facebook page with a massive following of Thais who know what their officials get up to.

Police called in Embassy officials and asked why they were not protecting their citizens. Police promised immediate action and to solve the problem within six months.  But that was just for show. Two years on the police have done nothing.

BBC News are sticking by Jonathan Head thankfully. 

As an independent journalist, I had to fight my own corner and the generous donations which came flooding in were in the end not enough to sustain the battle.  Real threats from foreign criminals who were laundering cash in Thai property, but knew how to do it,  meant I had to leave as I was putting my children at risk not having a father around.




So, the first thing that house buyers seeking homes in the paradise of Thailand should know is that if you are swindled, do not whistle-blow, as you could find yourself behind bars and trying to find bail money.

It is of course ironic that, while the BBC is rightly defending their correspondent Jonathan Head, the corporation has been putting out and repeating programmes like ‘Wanted in Paradise’, taking punters to Thailand to find them their dream. 


The BBC has joined many other television networks in the UK which, while cashing in on the British rush to live in tropical island paradises, appear to be doing little more than lip service to research into the pitfalls of buying abroad.

A string of programme makers has been sending ‘prospective buyers’ to exotic destinations including Thailand, where of course foreigners cannot legally buy land, and only a condo if more than 50 per cent of the other occupants are Thai.

They cover themselves by telling home hunters to get a good lawyer. And they issue disclaimers and on programme sound bites warning that foreigners cannot buy land, but suggest there is a way around it, if the house-hunters are careful.

Judging by the mass of internet enquiries made on properties promoted in these programmes, British programme makers will have left thousands of viewers who have just been sold their dream on television, wide open to fraud.  

Worse, many of the applicant ‘house buyers’ clearly express the intention of selling their UK homes to pay for their new paradise life-style, and are willing to spend their life savings on these tropical gambles.

If things do go wrong they will end up back home as potential candidates for shows such as ‘Benefits Britain’.

What for instance the programme makers do not advise is that ‘so called good lawyers’ in Thailand, as Jonathan Head showed on his package for BB2’s ‘Victoria Derbyshire’, repeatedly play major roles in property scams.

And some of those lawyers are on lists of lawyers provided by Embassies to their foreign nationals in trouble. The British Embassy had two major fraudsters on their lists until I let them know.

The programme makers do not explain that realtors can lie their heads off, well that may be normal in the UK too, but in Thailand there is no recourse. The consumer protection departments are not interested in foreigners.

And even in the most blatant cases Thai police simply will not act on cases of property fraud against foreigners.

Further, while Thailand sounds cheap and cheerful, if things do go wrong prospective buyers stand to lose money they do not have if they attempt to conduct court cases which can go on for years in courts, which will not enforce its judgements.  

Either that or they will be defending themselves against allegations of libel!

The subject of mass fraud in the property business for foreigners in Thailand is never touched upon.

The makers of Channel 4s ‘A Place in the Sun’  even have an associated website offering property for sale in Thailand.  

While they acknowledge that ‘freehold’ property cannot be bought by foreigners, they have been irresponsibly promoting illegal ’90 year leases’ for property in Thailand – that is 30 year leases which, they claim, have a guarantee repeating to sixty years (included in the price) and a further option for 30 years.   


What automatically extendable leases?


This is not legal but there are umpteen lawyers out the on the net, linked to property agents, who will say it is. It is even repeated in the British media which churns out features believing that official statements from lawyers must be true.

They do not mention that the first 30 year 'extendable' leases signed in Koh Samui over 30 years ago have kicked in and all the foreigner owners been kicked out. Not only that the new Thai owners have taken over the houses and pools they built and you'll probably soon see these on 'Trivago'.

Thirty year leases are legal. Expecting to double up or triple up on them is not. They are limited to 30 years for a reason.


Part of the problem is that the programme makers such as Freeform which makes ‘A Place in the Sun’ boast having teams of property agents who have sold houses to ‘pop stars’, but have no experience of the property market in Thailand, no knowledge of Thai lawyers, and no knowledge of Thai law. 

In fact, they bring nothing to the table at all except glib descriptions to camera of paradise as they stroll along one beach or another, which may well turn out to be hell on earth for the ‘property hunters’.

They are selling dreams. And anything which might suggest otherwise is glossed over.

Phil Spencer, formerly of ‘Location, Location, Location’, also Channel 4, amazingly hosted his own video promoting products of the Harlequin Property Group run by David Ames, a former bankrupt double glazing salesman from Essex.



Ames is believed to have taken over £300 million from people’s pensions (SIPS)in the UK promising them investments in paradise home in Thailand and the Caribbean, and his failed Thai projects had been exposed many times on this site.

Only this month was he finally charged with fraud and is due to stand trial next year. He has been granted bail.


Phil Spencer with 'Ponzi' developer David Ames


Spencer, a so-called property guru and a millionaire in his own right, stars in a promo for David Ames filmed at the incomplete ‘Merricks’ resort in Barbados giving his own stamp of approval and ending up with this ‘trust me’ message.


‘I am investing. I am happy with the Harlequin Model. I am investing. Nobody did me a good deed or anything. In my opinion the Harlequin model is worth considering.”

And when he filmed the promo most of the properties were nothing more than a building sites, or models on a board, which is where they remained.




The ‘Harlequin model’ was a massive Ponzi scheme, which has the dashed the hopes of hundreds who lost their SIPS, in projects which were doomed to crash.  Ames meanwhile says he has no money left.

And Spencer went on to host his own property show – ‘Phil Spencer – Secret Agent’.


'Relax' at Merrick's says Phil Spencer - Secret Agent for who?


Luckily ‘A Place in the Sun’, which has filmed only two episodes in Thailand (the most popular long haul holiday destination for Britons) has not been successful in selling to the ‘clients’ it flew out. And it has said privately to a complainant that it has no plans for further productions in the country.  

The programme format is similar to the BBCs  ‘Wanted in Paradise’. 

They fly out prospective buyers, invariably couples, sometimes with children, and introduce them to the properties. There are breaks of soul searching ‘Should we make the move?’  and tearful relatives back home are interviewed. They call the programme a success, if they find the buyers a new home in paradise. 

Some make the dream. Many don’t.  But all will find it is not the same place they went for a holiday.

In the last run of ‘A Place in the Sun’ last July Amanda and Adam Cropper, who run nightclubs in Nottingham, and planned to open businesses in Phuket, could have become croppers themselves, if they had bought any of the properties offered by the programme makers.


Adam and Amanda Cropper


Like most couples, they needed to sell their home in the UK to buy in Phuket. They then planned to start a business in Thailand and work to be able to live with a backing of £160,000 cash.

Now while boiler room fraudsters can get away with running the night life in Bangkok and Pattaya, and buying up property wholesale, I am not even going to begin explain the pitfalls of this to the Croppers other than to say that running nightclubs on Phuket is not like running nightclubs in Nottingham.

Interestingly they were buying property in the district of Chalong in Phuket – the very same district where Briton Ian Rance and Irishman Vard were essentially defrauded out of their millions.

In any case they chose not to buy through 'A Place in the Sun'.

The BBC’s ‘Wanted in Paradise’ is little better. One episode showed a gay couple from Suffolk, Matt and Andrew, of which Andrew had an executive job with a housing association in the UK. 

Hilariously and with dead pan faces they were filmed debating whether to buy an acre of coconut plantation for £130,000 which they were offered in Khanom, in Surat Thani, by an agent with a Nordic accent, or a rundown bungalow resort for £100,000 next to a welders yard (off camera) offered by another foreigner on the nearby resort island of Koh Samui. The resort had sandbags out the front to stop the sea coming in!   




They could not move the resort back from the sea because they were backed up against the main road running around this island, which is notorious for its property scams.

In Thai law, it is illegal to construct anything within 20 metres of the highest tidemark. *

Lambs led to the slaughter? They looked the part walking around a market seemingly unable to recognise coriander or coconuts which were not of the 'coconut shy' variety, but thankfully they opted out.   
All the clients were sold on the friendliness of the Thai people. That’s fine – but it does not stop a smiling fraud. 

And selling land and property is by law technically an occupation forbidden to foreigners in Thailand, though with hundreds in the business the law is clearly not enacted.

The producers of the BBC’s ‘Wanted In Paradise’ in their research could should have watched Jonathan Head’s ‘Victoria Derbyshire’ piece. They might have skipped Thailand.

What factual programme on the BBC is crying out for is an investigation into the reality of buying in tropical paradises.

While the makers of ‘A Place in the Sun’ have announced discreetly they have ‘no further plans to film’ in Thailand. they still advertise properties and claim on their website:

 “In Thailand foreigners cannot buy freehold property except through a company. Most buy a 30-year lease which is automatically renewable two more times, making 90 years.”

‘A Place in the Sun’ further repeated the claim elsewhere on its website stating: 


“It is however possible to purchase a 90-year leasehold contract which provides the option to convert to a freehold any time, either should the law change, or should you wish to set up a company to buy the freehold title."




“This is the most common method that land is purchased in Thailand and a method fully endorsed by the Thai authorities,” the website states. 



Which Thai authorities?  Surely not the same ones who announced they would deport anyone who attempted to swerve around Thai property law ad reported in the 'Daily Telegraph' and elsewhere.

Its true that the Thai government, due to property slump, may soon give 50 year leases to foreigners but the government still insists that the property will revert to Thai control once that period is up.


From 'A Place in the Sun' website


The programme makers have been playing with fire. In the Thai resort of Hua Hin ‘A Place in the Sun’ enlisted the help a company called ‘Hua Hin Property Search’ run by Briton Colin Holmes and Swede Anders Engstrom.

On their website for over a year they have boasted: ‘Hua Hin Property Search is working with Channel 4’s ‘A Place in the Winter Sun’ for their winter 2016’.


The claim on the Hua Hin Property Search website was removed after this story was published


Alas 2016 has come and gone and there was has been mention of Thailand on ‘A Place in the Sun’  

A viewer, who is appalled at the cavalier nature of the programme lost 3 million baht (about £70,000) after getting entangled with Hua Hin Property Search (formerly known as Hua Hin Property Care).


The plan was that he would buy land, through Hua Hin Property Care which would lease the land back to him for ninety years; thirty years as initial lease, an agreement to a further 30 years at no extra cost written into the contract, and a further 30 promised - just what ‘A Place in the Sun’ said the Thai authorities fully endorsed.

But that land became the subject of a bankrupcty order after a director of the property company went bust.

By telling you this of course, like Jonathan, I could face five years in jail.

The angry viewer is, of course, furious. 

From FreeForm TV Anni Lavelle wrote to the disgruntled buyer to end a correspondence after he had complained several times saying:

 “We are very sorry to hear of the problems you have encountered in Thailand and I can confirm again that we currently have no plans to film any future episodes of “A Place In The Sun” in Thailand."
   

At Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries Kelsey Quinn provided a list of estate agents used in Thailand. They did not include ‘Hua Hin Property Search’ but Freeform did admit being in contact with the HHPS about planned programmes.


“Although the estate agents themselves do not feature on the show and are never mentioned during the body of the programme the properties we showed were represented by FazWaz, Century 21, Siam Real Estate and Phuket.net. As far as we are aware none of these companies has been accused of fraud.  

“All contributors are fully aware that legal checks on prospective properties are their responsibility before taking part. In addition each episode has a note saying viewers should use an independent lawyer to buy property anywhere just as they would in the UK. As the Thai system is different to Europe this advice is also explicit in the show near the beginning of the programme. 

"During a conversation between presenter and house hunter in the programme the presenter clearly states it is illegal for foreigners to own property freehold in Thailand and advises viewers and the house hunter to check with experts every step of the way. The advice we give in this programme has been checked by local lawyers as well as our own.”

Having said all this, of course, hundreds, even thousands of people have bought property in Thailand, and of course are still happily living in it.  

Rules about building on the beach are routinely ignored, particularly all around the islands of Phuket and Samui and the government has been lax in enforcing laws against owning a property by starting a company and putting most of the shareholding in the names of Thai nominees.  

Although selling homes and land is an occupation forbidden to foreigners Thais need foreigners to sell to foreigners.

But these laws can be enacted at any time, which means a foreigner runs a risk if he ever were to offend a Thai, who knows his precarious position.

So how as a foreigner do you buy a house in Thailand?

NEXT: UNWANTED IN PARADISE PART II- NOT CRIMINALS.



LINKS:
Jonathan Head on 'Victoria Derbyshire' ) - UK only

Chris Spencer promoting Harlequin Property
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpCQjU4F_aE

Andrew and Matt ‘Wanted in Paradise’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b054cdqy

The first story on the Colin Vard fraud in 2011
http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2011/05/children-padlocked-in-well-as-irish.html

Foreigners with 30 year leases evicted from paradise island

http://www.andrew-drummond.news/foreigners-evicted-thai-paradise-island/


Charm offensive in UK to buy Thai properties - Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/international/3359331/Property-overseas-Is-it-safe-to-buy-Thai.html

Expats Warned of Illegal Home Crackdown in Thailand

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/expat-money/9413075/Expats-warned-of-illegal-home-crackdown-in-Thailand.html

24 comments:

Dick Headley said...

I would think most viewers treat the TV programs as entertainment. They will probably never leave England but they like watching people with spare cash come a 'cropper'.

The RatShit Kid said...

A good piece AD. Very gutsy of you to write and expose these crooks.
It is difficult to comprehend the stupidity of people who invest all this money in buying property or land, or attempting to buy the same, from these sharks in Thailand.
Do people really check in their brains along with their luggage, as the saying goes?
One is reminded of the scams involving Brits (inter alia) who bought properties in Europe, (Spain and Greece spring to mind), which it transpired had been constructed illegally and which the authorities later seized and pulled down.
Why do people not simply rent a property in Thailand?
Just what is this obsession to sell their house in Blighty (or wherever) and BUY a place in Thailand?
Why not just simply rent and then walk away if it all goes pear-shaped?
Can someone explain to me please?

Andrew Drummond said...

Your probably right that 'most viewers' see it as entertainment DH. But you underestimate the power of television. I have been trawling websites and forums and found people begging to find out where the properties are, who is the agents. And the programmes refer viewers to the agents. 'A Place in the Sun' which carries adverts for Thai properties says their site is not commercial.

Dick Headley said...

The Ratshit Kid makes a good point. Why buy when you can rent? There seems to be something about Thailand that causes sensible people to act like total idiots.

Megalodon said...

What would be the chance or possibility, AD, of Cannel 4 (or any other TV network in the U.K.) making a documentary along the line of your article here - i.e. exposing the pitfalls & dangers of buying (or attempting to buy) land and / or ppty in Thailand?
I appreciate that you have a video elsewhere in your blog exposing Ames, ( I recall he is being interviewed by the Dane, Colov (?)), but a full-length programme exposing these charlatans and their corrupt activities would, I am sure, have quite an impact.
I have to wonder why Channel 4 and perhaps the BBC produce programmes extolling the virtues or benefits of buying port / land in Thailand - when there are so many horror stories out there?
This would appear to be a subject from which the print media in the U.K.- particularly the Daily Mail, dies not shy away.

D. Farang said...

"..but they like watching people with spare cash come a 'cropper'."

Of course they do Richard. It's a primary human trait Dick, right up there with this old saw - many folks will let themselves off the hook right up to and including murder - but have zero tolerance for another person's minor faux pas..ZERO

Signed,

The Little Glass House

Peter Atki said...

Jonathan Head's passport was confiscated, but has since had it returned.

Peter Atki said...

It's all very well for the TV production companies to add a disclaimer to their programmes like

'In addition each episode has a note saying viewers should use an independent lawyer to buy property anywhere just as they would in the UK.'

but I think the real problem for many westerners is that they assume that lawyers in countries like Thailand are up to the same general high standard as back in their home countries. Add crooked and corrupt police, a legal system that favours rich Thais over poor Thais and foreigners as well as the language barrier and you really don't stand a chance.

My advice to anyone moving here is to rent, don't buy, and don't keep large amounts of money in local banks, open a bank account here by all means but do a monthly transfer from your bank account back home, if anything goes wrong then you've only lost at most a month's living expenses. As for opening any type of business here, again my advice is don't bother.

As they say, the easiest way to make a small fortune in Thailand is arrive with a big fortune.

D. Farang said...

Peter's astute summary should be required reading for every brand-new, supremely eager (middle-aged) farang that washes up on Thai shores - to begin their own unique version of a "Thailand Honeymoon-Syndrome.."

It usually takes well over a decade to run its inevitable course..

Signed,

Rose Colored Glasses

Marlo Stanfield said...

Have to agree with sentiments on the folly of buying property here. I think a lot of people - especially the Brits - have an affinity with the likes of "Boycie" from the old UK comedy "Only Fools and Horses".

They see themselves as faux Lords of the Manor in a housecoat and a cravate holding a cheap cigar and a glass of brandy.

That said, it IS possible to do well in real estate here. We only really hear about the nightmares and not the successes of which there are many, especially in the Bangkok condo market.

If you've engaged in legal chicanery with a Thai company in order to buy land here, you'll only have yourself to blame if one day, the authorities decide to go through these types of arrangement with a fine tooth comb.

Trollmeister General said...

I heartily wish that Channel 4, or even the BBC, would make a documentary illustrating the pitfalls & consequences of buying, (or attempting to buy), land and / or property in Thailand.
Let it NOT hold back in any way, shape or form.
No punches spared.
Let it name names - perhaps then the message regarding "doing business" of this nature in Thailand will start to sink home.
One final note. I have recently been bequeathed some property as the result of a family bereavement and I am in the process of finalizing the transfer of the property to my name.
Hell will freeze over before, I in turn, bequeath it to any rapacious Thai.

Trollmeister General said...

Curse you AD. Curse you till the heavens collapse.
You and you self-appointed censorship. I've asked it before and I will ask it again and I will continue to ask it.
Just what the HELL gives YOU the right to censor comments on this page?
You rail against lack of freedom of speech in Thailand; of censorship by the authorities.
But just what the Hell is it that YOU practice if not self-appointed censorship??

Trollmeister General said...

Curse you AD. Curse you till the heavens collapse.
You and you self-appointed censorship. I've asked it before and I will ask it again and I will continue to ask it.
Just what the HELL gives YOU the right to censor comments on this page?
You rail against lack of freedom of speech in Thailand; of censorship by the authorities.
But just what the Hell is it that YOU practice if not self-appointed censorship??

Horizons said...

With fair play to the shrewd average law-abiding man who's kept Thailand LSD-not-required understandable enough to invest wisely, the main farang successes in property in the dark city will generally at this point - if we're talking real 'success' - be bestowed upon those laundering money from, whatever. Bangkok, to be fair, is little different to cityscapes London through Dubai and en route, full of expensive apartments owned by confident people who have by hook or crook, bought what they think is PoWa (or of course anonymity from it, but both in the case of Thailand). Like they're the first people who've evA had PoWa. London's a tough one because there's a rule of law but the oligarch purchases there are disgusting, not to mention the above-all establishment Brits and their 'secrets'. Dubai (torture friendly like Thailand) maybe they don't care as long as until they really care, or know, but Bangkok's a bit tricky because - no rule of law aside - it's still nascent in that young bucks are investing (read laundering) into the property market and it's not going unnoticed. Helped, always, by the arrogance of psychopaths who know everything but the end game. The end game is simple but if you don't know it it will always be hard. Like an unpronounceable name. Easy once you know. I personally (like I matter) don't have an issue with, let's say, boiler room cash, going into Thai circulation. What's done is done in a lot of ways. Here's one for ya though: steal so much you just don't know how much you have, invest it in Sex Entertainment and expect to get a pass. No that's been done before and as clever as people's people are, across forums and websites, no pass. No Roberto Duran either. It's a typical trait of gangsters, criminals, Thai mafia, to be very clever in a practiced dark art moment, but not very wise in true life. I know, they have PowA. Let's see it. My bet is it's a Babyshambles song.

D. Farang said...


"..Helped, always, by the arrogance of psychopaths who know everything but the end game."

Horizons: With respect, it's "worse" than that. I believe we're all special needs and psychopaths by degree. It's like a dimmer switch - almost off (but never disconnected) - to "full-blown."

Then there's the "far-out" Thai expats, way out there, in the bar most days. The other old-timers have left for Cambodia, Laos or Vietnam, died, went home or adjusted accordingly - on the rather meager pension..

Thailand get's it's fair share of high and low-functioning psychopathic farang - sometimes right off the scale..for example..

In 2007 I met 2 Vietnam vets a few times whilst drinking beer at a Jomtien Beach establishment - and again in 2012 - these expats had been partying non-stop in Pattaya-Jomtien since 1975, and still are today if they're alive. They only went back to the States for funerals - then right back to the LOS.

One vet looked like death warmed over, nice guy though - the other looked not bad, but he was only 53 at the time - nice fellow as well - went to Nam as a 17 year old - lied about his age..had one hell of a southern drawl..and never started drinking until 5 pm. The other one? About noon..

Horizons said...

Ho Chi Minh is the next destination btw. I read a lot of Thailand is this and Vietnam is so much better. Wonder how much staged. The mafia in Saigon are more ruthless than Somchai Poh's lot - and they are just murdering animals. But to point, mass murderer Khunpluem, dead by many accounts and if so good, has perhaps left a power vacuum, who is on top there? Whoever they are they will be redeveloping Pattaya in the wake of three or four decades of torture and murder. Btw, murder in Pattaya includes old man ate something, young man flew, heart attck at 23 etc. Savage scum. But yeah, the crims are all nested up in HCM waiting for it to become the next best thing. Makes me sick. And the murderers will and do own the hotels. Take care in both Thailand and Vietnam.

Megalodon said...

I'm not sure exactly what it is that you are saying here, Horizons, but I'm sure it's all good stuff.
(I actually read it twice. And I still don't know what "evA" or "PoWa" mean).

D. Farang said...

I used to fantasize about having a condo in Thailand. God knows why - I don't. My Thai wife only wants to go back to the LOS every 2 or 3 years now, and we rent. After all, she can communicate with her family as needed for free on LINE, and I can see that nothing has changed at all, LOL..

On another note - I stopped picking up garbage (and broken glass) on Thai beaches a few trips ago - and stopped telling my Thai relatives to please wear a motorcycle helmet. I was wasting my time - and they did not appreciate advice from some dumb, "arrogant" farang like me.

After all - as the Thais say - "when it's your time - it's your time." Nothing to do with proactive safety measures you see..or pressed cardboard safety helmets at 300 Baht a CRACK!

Thais teach their children NOT to be like farang - and they are right to do so I suppose. It's their country, and it's still functioning - thank you very much.

For a country that does not want to be like farang (rightfully so) - they sure accept the farang boiler room scum with open arms - simply because..

"Money honey - it's a rich man's world.."


Signed,

Resigned

Marlo Stanfield said...

With respect, I don't think anyone's sure of what Horizons is saying.

Maybe the use of paragraphs and succinct sentences would help.

mark kling said...

Big difference in buying a condo and illegally buying raw land. The Brits, who bought condos here a few years ago must be pretty happy. Buying units that haven't been built is more risky. Notice how high the concentration of frauds are at the beach resorts. The only consolation for the victims is that scum have a pretty short lifespan, here.

Trollmeister General said...

I was with you all the way here, D. Farang, until I reached the part where you say "For a country that does not...(rightfully so)..."
I'm not sure why you have said that? Why is it "right" that Thailand would not want to emulate certain foreign countries?
I refer here, of course, to my place of birth - the United Kingdom. A decent, civilized country with proper living values and the rule of law - unlike that decadent, corrupt cesspit called Thailand.

jules in KL said...

I have owned a home in the sun / island paradise / coconuts and sand / whatever........ for the last 12 years and can comfortably report that it is a hell.

Termites eat the wood, rats eat the wires, steel corrodes at a fantastic rate and what is left crumbles away in the sun. DO NOT BUY A HOUSE NEAR THE SEA.

Water is intermittent, power is limited, internet uncertain, roads clogged with tourists and garbage disposal a rarity.

When I do go out it is to get burnt by the sun, stung by the jellyfish or run over by a motorcycle.

If anyone ever asks you about buying a home in the sun, please tell them it is a really bad idea.

D. Farang said...

Hi T. General: I was referring to the farang inclination to espouse their faux superiority, and lord it over the "rest" of the world.

If you knew the farang gutter rats I have had to deal with in business, and still do - you would understand where I am coming from.

People are people regardless of race - but as a farang - I've witnessed more than my fair share of despicable farang - hence the bias against my own "race.."

BTW: I am referring to farang like myself - WASP's in the main..

Best

Horizons said...

There are many lines in The Brothers Karamazov.

All 19th century.

I repeat: the end game is simple.

2017.