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	<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by Andrew Drummond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Drummond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Hay: This from a circular today issued by British Embassy
"The security of British citizens resident in or visiting Thailand is top priority for the Embassy"
Its in the context of the red shirts though, probably does not cover Hua Hin. But the Ambassador or Deputy Head of Mission could nip down to Hua Hin by appointment with the local police chief, inform the local press, and very politely express his concern.  Or, well he could go to another dinner instead.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Hay: This from a circular today issued by British Embassy<br />
&#8220;The security of British citizens resident in or visiting Thailand is top priority for the Embassy&#8221;<br />
Its in the context of the red shirts though, probably does not cover Hua Hin. But the Ambassador or Deputy Head of Mission could nip down to Hua Hin by appointment with the local police chief, inform the local press, and very politely express his concern.  Or, well he could go to another dinner instead.  <img src='http://www.andrew-drummond.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Thai angel? &#8216;Aw, Haud your whisht!&#8217; - say Scots by Combover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Combover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, what a horrible, miserable bunch the family are. 

Surely, between them they could scrape together enough for a flight for one of them to come and see for himself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, what a horrible, miserable bunch the family are. </p>
<p>Surely, between them they could scrape together enough for a flight for one of them to come and see for himself?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by Andrew Drummond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Drummond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JUST A REMINDER: THE SUBMIT A STORY BUTTON IS NOT FUNCTIONING AT THE MOMENT. SO THERE ARE A FEW POSTS WHICH HAVE NOT REACHED ME.
YOU CAN SEND A MESSAGE HERE, WHICH WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED IF REQUESTED, OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME (ANDREW) AT THIS WEBSITE.
EXCUSE ME FOR SHOUTING!
FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN IN WITH OTHER PROBLEMS IN HUA HIN PLEASE BE PATIENT. THANKS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUST A REMINDER: THE SUBMIT A STORY BUTTON IS NOT FUNCTIONING AT THE MOMENT. SO THERE ARE A FEW POSTS WHICH HAVE NOT REACHED ME.<br />
YOU CAN SEND A MESSAGE HERE, WHICH WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED IF REQUESTED, OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME (ANDREW) AT THIS WEBSITE.<br />
EXCUSE ME FOR SHOUTING!<br />
FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN IN WITH OTHER PROBLEMS IN HUA HIN PLEASE BE PATIENT. THANKS.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by Andrew Drummond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Drummond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dex?: Corrected on a point of fact as Donald Whiting is of course still alive. I never criticise journalists who make genuine mistakes. Nor do I ever criticise them snidely.
But if I may allude to Colonel Blimp's comment about the 'Botany Bay of First World Trash' I have to say it is NOT ONLY the property business which is affected. When they turn up on local rags a little irony is sometimes called for.
There is no law of sub-judice in Thailand by the way, but I am sure you are as aware of that, as you are of the British justice system. There is no jury here to influence.
You may have noticed for instance the format of police press conferences when they announce an arrest. Almost everything they say is prejudicial.
You will get criticism of police here however.
Finally of course, if there is another side to this story, for instance that Darren Oxley's wife was set up, as were the three would be assassins, then they, or Darren Oxley on their behalf, is welcome to put forward that point of view. And indeed he has been invited to do so.  In an earlier post he does keep pointing to correspondence and a feud between Whiting and a local Greek property developer and newspaper publisher.
ps: Boy I bet you can tell me a thing or two about being snide :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dex?: Corrected on a point of fact as Donald Whiting is of course still alive. I never criticise journalists who make genuine mistakes. Nor do I ever criticise them snidely.<br />
But if I may allude to Colonel Blimp&#8217;s comment about the &#8216;Botany Bay of First World Trash&#8217; I have to say it is NOT ONLY the property business which is affected. When they turn up on local rags a little irony is sometimes called for.<br />
There is no law of sub-judice in Thailand by the way, but I am sure you are as aware of that, as you are of the British justice system. There is no jury here to influence.<br />
You may have noticed for instance the format of police press conferences when they announce an arrest. Almost everything they say is prejudicial.<br />
You will get criticism of police here however.<br />
Finally of course, if there is another side to this story, for instance that Darren Oxley&#8217;s wife was set up, as were the three would be assassins, then they, or Darren Oxley on their behalf, is welcome to put forward that point of view. And indeed he has been invited to do so.  In an earlier post he does keep pointing to correspondence and a feud between Whiting and a local Greek property developer and newspaper publisher.<br />
ps: Boy I bet you can tell me a thing or two about being snide <img src='http://www.andrew-drummond.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by newbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>newbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, a petition - which I would support - would need to be submitted to the FO in London. 

For obvious reasons embassy and consular staff work with hands tied while on foreign soil.

And in London, the petition would be reviewed in perspective and unfortunately there are bigger fish to fry regarding relations with Thailand ( and other countries)

However, a petition would be made public in the Uk. That would be an effective start. As I say, I would support it. And as one poster said, so would many more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, a petition - which I would support - would need to be submitted to the FO in London. </p>
<p>For obvious reasons embassy and consular staff work with hands tied while on foreign soil.</p>
<p>And in London, the petition would be reviewed in perspective and unfortunately there are bigger fish to fry regarding relations with Thailand ( and other countries)</p>
<p>However, a petition would be made public in the Uk. That would be an effective start. As I say, I would support it. And as one poster said, so would many more</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by BKK News Feed Archive Q1/10/II</title>
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		<dc:creator>BKK News Feed Archive Q1/10/II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PM: Can Dissolve House, Resign, if It Could Improve Situation THE NATION &#8211; Hot Spots Map ANDREW DRUMMOND &#8211; British Home Buyer in Hua Hin Beaten Close to Death REUTERS &#8211; Thai Boxing Champion Fights Blindness for Glory BANGKOK POST &#8211; Red Shirts [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by stan the man</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan the man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with you andrew about hua hin, been there a few times.
i quite like the place &amp; have never had any problems there at all, but then i'm not a retiree looking to buy a property there.
if i was looking, i wouldn't use any of the agents anyway.

it's such a small place, that an incident such as this would be well aired on the grapevine.
i was just a little surprised that it didn't make the forum as a story but equally not surprised in the slightest that it didn't make it to the local rags.
more bad publicity concerning the property market in hua hin ?? oh dear we can't have that!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with you andrew about hua hin, been there a few times.<br />
i quite like the place &amp; have never had any problems there at all, but then i&#8217;m not a retiree looking to buy a property there.<br />
if i was looking, i wouldn&#8217;t use any of the agents anyway.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s such a small place, that an incident such as this would be well aired on the grapevine.<br />
i was just a little surprised that it didn&#8217;t make the forum as a story but equally not surprised in the slightest that it didn&#8217;t make it to the local rags.<br />
more bad publicity concerning the property market in hua hin ?? oh dear we can&#8217;t have that!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by Dex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given your propensity for snide criticisms of other journalists who make mistakes, I think I should point out that the people arrested for the attack on Donald Whiting are not "assassins" ("Police have also arrested the three assassins ..."), but "would-be assassins". That is unless you have proof they actually killed someone, in which case you are required to say so. Then they'd be "professional/convicted assassins/killers". A journalist of your experience should not have allowed that to slip through because you have now tried, judged and convicted them. I just hope the sub editors who handled this story picked up your mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given your propensity for snide criticisms of other journalists who make mistakes, I think I should point out that the people arrested for the attack on Donald Whiting are not &#8220;assassins&#8221; (&#8221;Police have also arrested the three assassins &#8230;&#8221;), but &#8220;would-be assassins&#8221;. That is unless you have proof they actually killed someone, in which case you are required to say so. Then they&#8217;d be &#8220;professional/convicted assassins/killers&#8221;. A journalist of your experience should not have allowed that to slip through because you have now tried, judged and convicted them. I just hope the sub editors who handled this story picked up your mistake.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by Ron Hay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Marshall; For your idea to succeed you'll need to contact the THAI Embassy in your country of origin &amp; let the flack roll downhill. Writting to an Embassy in Bkk is pointless because;

a) It's not their concern &amp;

b) If villian &amp; victim are from the same country who do they believe/assist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Marshall; For your idea to succeed you&#8217;ll need to contact the THAI Embassy in your country of origin &amp; let the flack roll downhill. Writting to an Embassy in Bkk is pointless because;</p>
<p>a) It&#8217;s not their concern &amp;</p>
<p>b) If villian &amp; victim are from the same country who do they believe/assist?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hua Hin Property News - Briton, who fought back, beaten &#8216;close to death&#8217; by CW</title>
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		<dc:creator>CW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, HHAD (Hua Hin After Dark) is no less than the worst run forum/website I have seen and also with the most boring content.  It actually sums up Hua Hin in its own way - full of ignorant petty people either online or in the flesh.  Of all the 'grockle-ghettoes' as Colonel B so aptly put it, Hua Hin in my opinion is the worst.  The road out is lined with 1,000 THB notes so desperate is everyone to get out of there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, HHAD (Hua Hin After Dark) is no less than the worst run forum/website I have seen and also with the most boring content.  It actually sums up Hua Hin in its own way - full of ignorant petty people either online or in the flesh.  Of all the &#8216;grockle-ghettoes&#8217; as Colonel B so aptly put it, Hua Hin in my opinion is the worst.  The road out is lined with 1,000 THB notes so desperate is everyone to get out of there!</p>
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